Thanks for the feedback. It's good to hear from someone with experience. I appreciate you taking the time to map out what you are looking for too. If I am following you, I think you want something like the http://www.Snapsis.com home page, which is the same as the BlueLeftNav that you referred to I believe. This NavMenu does not do embeded lists, everything is rendered in one list which makes it easier and faster for the browser to do the layout. The way you achive indenting on the seperate levels is by using the "Level" rules in the CSS. e.g.: NavTabs .Level0 a { font-weight:bold; } #NavTabs .Level1 { padding-left:6px; } #NavTabs .Level2 { padding-left:12px; } "IndentChildTabs" is not a property of this menu. I tried to make as much as possible controlled through CSS. HTH. John |