That would be fine John, please do link to it. I searched for a long time trying to find ways to do those menus and even went as far as trying to figure out how to use the page icon in a normal DNN menu. John Henning came up with a way to do it with the DNN Nav menu, but that still left me with the "portability" problem of not being able to make the skin "site neutral" as to the pages listed in the menus. CNNNav Menu allowed me to designate pages by name, not by ID, and makes it possible to simply port the structure to any site by changing only the names of the pages in the individual menus. In this way, I could create a skin for portal automation that uses "reserved" names for specific pages to appear in the top and top right menus, excluding those from the left menu so that all other pages automatically show up in that left menu like the normal DNN menus do it. Though I got really frustrated (because I am such a newbie to CSS) with your help I was able to figure it all out. If any one wants to see the actual menu implementation in the skin, I have zipped up a text file with the individual menu skin formatting used in the .ascx file and the CSS implementation I used in the skin.css file and loaded it up for you. It was really pretty simple, once I got past the frustration of ignorance and began digging into getting it done. It's a good starting piece, but by no means even close to what is possible. Again, thank you John and though there are still a few graphics issues the client's graphic artist needs to send me some files on so I can upgrade the site's graphics, please do link to it. Also, please feel free to turn this into something a little more elaborate and use it as a template on the site for others if you want to. For those who try to use this, please keep in mind that it uses a .DLL file John modified a tiny bit to allow for designating the image folder and you must change that in the .ascx menu formatting for the images to show up. But, other than that, it is truly site neutral and can be extremely easily ported to any other implementation by changing only the "reserved page names" and the designation of the image folder. That takes all of about 1 minute to accomplish even for a total newbie like me. Clay |